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You have us confused with that pathetic program over in Orlando.... get your smack straight.

If you graduated from there then you're not the reason so many of us are sick of hearing it.... it's the 95% who didn't graduate and have no connection to the program... most of which are flipping burgers at BK.

Dont knock what people do to earn money. I know a couple USF grads who work minimum wage jobs

It is true that UM puts a lot of kids in the NFL, However, a lot of those same kids would have made the NFL at Marshal. They were top 25 recruits out of high school and their talent is what put them their.

The problem is when have a top 15 recruiting class like UM and FSU and the school doesn't even finish the year in the top 25, then a lot of borderline players get overlooked, and the top players go late in the first round, or drop to the 3rd round, and those big contracts go somewhere else.

Don't tell me about the 4 and 5 star recruit that made the NFL. Tell me about the 2 star or unrated recruit that only had one Div 1 offer, or that walked on without any scholarship offers and then tell me what you did for them.

UM and FSU have been underacheiving for so long, and at the same time USF has been taking 2 and 3 star recruits and putting them in the first round, or taking no stars and getting them into the NFL.

You really believe that? That's such malarky. That's spin city, I am not Miami so I am going to spin a story to explain.

No, big schools get big time recruits, those recruits get good because generally they're going against better recruits, and better teams each year....i.e. you get good by playing the best. Generally the bigger schools have deeper pockets for assistants, so they get better coaching on average....and lastly the NFL knows these schools have more concentration of talent, so rather then sending their limited resources to scour every MAC teams roster, they stick to the big schools because they know they'll find talent.

Whether Miami and/or FSU have underachieved is irrelevant. The college fans, the media, the NFL, the boosters still consider them bigger then a USF....and I'd say they're accurate since USF has proven this year they can't sell out anything. Therefore, you may want to believe it's all hype, but the fact is a Miami is still a better program, and system. Until USF proves they can reach the pinnacle with what they have, they will not attract the best coaches and players, nor the fan support, nor all the NFL attention. Sure we get a few drafted but Miami doesn't stop the gravy train.

I laugh, some of these 'USF Grads' sound like they have such an inferiority complex (you think it's bad now wait until we're playing in the Big Joke- the new nickname on sirius for the New Big East). I can live with the fact miami is still ahead of us, and we've got a long way to go to climb there. It's cool, even if a Miami fan is talking trash I know they've got the talent and ability to be a NC caliber team with the right staff in very short order.

bullpride, we've been sending as many guys into the NFL as Miami, more a few years, so his point is very valid. Even if they are spending more money on assistants, clearly we were doing something right taking low star recruits and turning them into pros. It's easier with high star talent like JPP, but he still was coached by our staff and might go to the pro bowl this year.

The point is that even the pro factory argument is wearing thin now.

OK I'll give you credit because you are a pretty good sport but, USF is one great season away from being right there.

Before USF started playing football I used to be a UM fan. I started following Miami when they used to come to Tampa to play UT at Phillips field.

I remember when Miami taking Fran Curci away from Tampa for their football coach, and Kentucky took him away from Miami because they were a much bigger program. That's when Tampa U got Earl Bruce who ended up at Ohio state.

Bottom line is UM wasn't anything until Schnellenberger came there from the Dolphins, and 2 years later Miami was born. It only takes one great coach and your there,

Of course if you have the coronel giving out pay checks for tackles and TD's it's easier but, teams are closer together today than they ever have been in the past.

Keith,

I love your enthusiasm....i really do. As a USF fan it's great to see passion because is important in a fanbase, but you're still hard to follow in your logic. You're certainly right about Curci, and Bruce, and the history according Miami, and UT football pre 1975...but the problem is you've taken a slight modicum in time and determined that to illustrate Miami's history.....Miami had a history prior to Schnelleberger, they had a history prior to Curci...look up Gustavson, Harding and Tate. Heck they've been regularly to bowls dating back to the 50's, and playing ND regularly starting in 1955. So while they're not Michigan or ND in terms of history they've had some history. Heck they've been to an Orange Bowl as far back as 1945, and others since.

Now since Schnelleberger their run has been nearly unprecedented with 5 national championships and 5 other top 5 finishes in that time. So consider in that last 30 years Miami has been NC champions or finished in the top 5 30% of the time.

At the end of the day that's still considered recent history, and while you may want to argue that these 18 year-olds may not remember that as much, their parents, their coaches, their family, their peers still remember Miami's unprecedented run, and they're not afraid to remind those kids of these feats. This isn't ND that hasn't seen a NC since 1988, Miami has had 3 since that time. People remember, and in Miami the kids know and their neighbors and people of influence remind them of that fact, and hell the media reminds them of that fact.

I hope there is a day when we can overcome Miami or become true peers but we need to win more games, and get to BCS bowls to show these kids we are on par. Until then they'll still look at Miami as a school that is a player or two away from being dominant and USF as a school that could be great but hasn't done anything of real significance to date.

Just sayin.